

A certain someone I know, whose musical ability and knowledge-in-general I really respect, hates Dave Matthews. I mean he loathes him. It's like Dave Matthews hooked up with his girlfriend in High School kind of hate. You can just see the hate in his eyes and hear it in his voice. I made the mistake of asking why. I think his hands started to tremble with rage when I asked. Oh the things that came out of this person's mouth. I know his mother would be ashamed
"Oh look at me, I'm Dave Matthews, I think I'm so good, I use chords no one else uses, look at how far my fingers are spread apart on this chord, listen how high I sing here, I'm everything that is wrong with music today."
That is the stuff that is printable. Well I got the knife out of his hand and the threat of no more coffee meant no bloodshed. But I still wondered why, why this hatred?
The goal is to try to come to some understanding of how people come to hate certain musicians/bands or kinds of music. I'm not talking "not my cup of tea" or "I don't dig it" indifference, I'm talking "Counting Crows suck and Adam Duritz is goofy!," "Jam bands are all just up there wanking," and "Oh, I just fucking hate how Creed ripped off Pearl Jam!" I'm talking unadulterated rage!
Not all music moves everyone (Thanks for that one Captain Obvious!). Hell, even music that moves us at one point in our lives may fail to do so at another. We're dynamic creatures and what is 'da bomb' (I can't believe I wrote that) in High School may seem kind of foolish come your late-to-midtwenties. My niece had a real NKOTB thing in middle school and now she loves to go hear Robert Lockwood Jr. up in Cleveland. (The fact that I would probably still know the words to Extreme's 'Get The Funk Out' if I heard it makes me chuckle.)
Oh how musical tastes can change.
Whatever makes those little hairs on the back of your neck stand up and connects with you and moves you is one thing. Not digging the band you caught last night because they just did not do it for you is one thing. This is something different though, I need to understand how people come to have a deep, intense, would-kill-if-I had-the-opportunity hatred of musician's or genres of music.
It seems as if it is personal sometimes. If Counting Crows or DMB is brought up in conversation with a couple of friends of mine there is immediately this animosity and this glare in the eye that could light a couch on fire in a time change riot. Check out the bulletin board on the AMN: Jam Bands, Red Wanting Blue, DMB, and all others across the board are hated. Not indifferent to, not don't care for, not pay no attention to, HATED. It's out there in the wide open for all to see and feel. Hate. Animosity. Loathing. And this time it's personal.
Ask yourself these questions: Is there any musician or genre of music that you hate? Would you eradicate jam bands if you were the omnipotent musical god? Would you kick Garth Brooks ass because you know country music would be better off without him. Do the jazzers make you see red because you know classical is the only music? Does the lifestyle associated with the music make you want to puke? Would you even give the bird to the chaste Britney Spears because you know what she is doing to music? Would you like to put Ricky Martin in the gears of a combine because he is the anti-christ of true latin music? Did you refuse to sing the 'mmm bop' tune because you knew it was a sign of the musical apocalypse? Does the punk songwriting of three chords and a cloud of dust (I love to mix musical and football metaphors) just fucking piss you off? Does sampling just grind your gears because those guys aren't musicians and you know better than to endorse that shit? If you find yourself in a situation where you don't have control over the radio do you end up hitchhiking cause you just can't take it anymore?
If you hate it I want to know why. I need to know why. I have this stupid thing in my brain that makes me have to understand things. It's really a nuisance but the therapy I paid so much for only helped with my... (that's private!) Seriously, I need to know. I can't understand how it can come to hate but I want to. I can't ask my friend again because he may kill me.
hey jealousy!!
i suspect that a good portion of music hating is caused by jealousy. at least i know i've been guilty of this. how many times have i heard some gutless, formulaic song on the radio and thought, " i can do better that this!! why is my band still rehearsing in a hallway??"
also, when a song is relentlessly overplayed on the radio, an otherwise good song or band can graduate to hated status. ya know, i think linkin park has got some good stuff goin on, but when i hear that same song of theirs for the 5th or 6th time in a day, that hate seed starts to sprout----and it's not ever the band's fault.
#1 by attila on Apr 13, 2002 12:00:00 AM
musicians not artists
I don't hate boy-bands. I don't hate Dave Matthews, or Phish. I might hate Morrissey. I'm pretty sure I do, and I might hate his fans as well. I realize my example might be dated, but he took himself way too seriously. Lots of musicians take themselves too seriously. They call themselves artists and speak volumes in interviews about where they were emotionally when they wrote this song or that song. I heard Roy Bookbinder live on the radio the other day. He referred to his songs as "something I made up." His modesty was refreshing. Be a musician. Play cool music. If you're a tortured artist, fuck off.
#2 by Stupid on Apr 18, 2002 12:00:00 AM
where was I last night?
I like to argue the devil's advocate. If everyone went around, like I know you do, worshiping every sound out of Adam Duritz's mouth I'd shot myself. Enough people have to stand up and say, I want something more. Why do I hate Dave, because you don't. It sounds stupid I know, but there is no pro without a con. It's a functionalistic view, but you'll have that.
But the bottom line (I don't care what anyone else in the entire world says) people hate "musicians" due to jealousy. I've seen more than one roommate stand in front of a full body mirror, in whity-tighties, playing air guitar, and the devil-fist listening to Twisted Sister. It's jealousy, why can't I be them. I bet your friend who hates Dave, probably likes some other 80's like band. But the difference there is they have something he admires (slutty girls). Jealousy drives this. Look at Creed, Marilyn Manson, Dave, Phish, whoever.
#3 by Diane on Apr 22, 2002 12:00:00 AM
Music Haters
Shannon and others:
I cannot explain it, but DMB racks on my nerves worse than nails down a chalkboard. Much in the same inexplicable way that the Doors put me in a utterly relaxed, wanting state. Who CAN explain how music affects an individual's emotions? And yes, I would seriously consider hitchhiking or disturbing the driver if I was stuck in a car with DMB blasting (god forbid!) - the driver would comply with my wishes if s/he knew what was in their best personal interest! Likewise, anyone who turns off my Doors faces the wrath. This whole phenomenon would make a good scientific study - what do you think, Shannon?
#4 by Katie P on Apr 24, 2002 12:00:00 AM
DMB are loathsome
Why do we hate DMB you ask?
Because they represent boring middle-class America where conformity reigns supreme, and passion is a lost cause.
DMB possess none of the musical and emotional depth or innovation of the great artists like the Stones, Dylan, the Byrds, and Burt Bacharach. DMB simply make boring, easy-listening crap which does not challenge the listener, but simply takes their money. Because middle-class America likes to be told what is cool.
Some twenty years before I was born, there was a new sound emerging in the black community - 'The sound of young America'. Motown pushed the envelope, possessed soul, was danceable, singable, and full of mighty passion and love. DMB in contrast is simply generic acoustic guitar music which makes a mockery out of everything Brian Wilson ever stood for : love and redemption through the sonic beauty of music.
Anyone who knows what real music is, who understands the deepest and most rewarding aspects of connecting the soul through music, would understand why DMB suck. I can say this because I have experienced extreme musical pleasures, and I can know tell the difference between the 1st-rate (Bacharach, Mamas and the Papas, Primal Scream, Ja-rule), the 2nd-rate (Nelly Furtado, Linkin Park), and the downright insulting (Alanis, DMB, and Creed).
It is frustrating to know that when people read this posting, they will abuse me and try to debate such theories as different musical taste and what have you. It is fair truth that people have different musical tastes, but that doesn't mean that what I say about DMB is not true. Basically, DMB is not on the same level as the greats I have aforementioned, and that is a fact, not just a mater of opinion. You cannot argue otherwise, because you cannot argue truth. If scholars were to do a technical analysis of the emotional and musical worth of all music in the world, and I mean a real no subjective-bullshit analysis, but rather a real objective analysis, it would be agree with my concensus of the DMB. If only everyone could experience what I have experienced musically, and they would all agree that DMB is CRAP.
#5 by Mick on Jun 06, 2002 12:00:00 AM
It's not DMB, it's his elitist conformist yuppies fans I hate
OK, i'm not too big on the Dave MAtthews Band either. I'm sick of their fans' Abercrombie & Fitch, their Jettas that daddy bought for them when they got their license, their lattes, and their all-around "I'm better than everyone who doesn't look and act just like me" attitude, and i can't disassociate the band from this. I also can't stand people who call the Dave Mattews Band "Dave", like they're talking about their buddy or something, like they've ever so much as talked to the guy. I consider them NSync for big girls. Show me a 12 year old girl who doesn't like NSYNC, and I'll show you a 20 year-old girl who doesn' like DMB. Both are quite the rare breed, am I right?
#6 by Robert W. Smith on Jul 15, 2002 12:00:00 AM
Adam Duritz is a balding poseur...
Yeah, I hate this band. I hate them because of their stupid ass fans for one thing. I think Adam Duritz was once a 14 year old girl--he can make the about-to-take-driver's ed. demographic cry like no other musician ever. You know this son of a bitch climbs in a closet every night to write poems about unicorns.
I hate Duritz because he acts like such the wounded artist type. I think if it furthered the credibility of his image he would probably walk with a limp.
Duritz also cries more than any other human that has ever survived into middle age (what, no razor blades convenient?). I swear to God, if Duritz tried to laugh, it would probably break his face.
Further, I hate his unwashed ass because somehow he has tricked so many starry eyed little girls (and Courtney Cox among other Hollywooders) into thinking that he is really a human and that it is alright to be attracted to him. I have personally spoken to him and I can attest that at a distance of about 2 feet, Duritz looks like Rob Zombie's homeless brother.
The entire band needs to take some Prozac, take some showers, stop inflicting their woes on homone saturated young girls, and then hope to Bob Marley's hair that their meal ticket lead singer doesn't realize that being an angst-ridden 40 year old is about as sexy as the yellow goo in the corners of an old man's mouth.
#7 by Nofalseidols on Jul 19, 2002 12:00:00 AM
I like it All- Why Can't You??
I'm a very right-brained individual-I'm a Singer-Songwriter myself. I think as a performer, we appreciate all kinds of music-and there isn't any really thing I can think of that makes me cringe. Sure, there's music I can do without- Rap, or Heavy Metal for instance. But I can still tolerate it.
For me, it's all about the SONGS, not the genre of music, or style. There are Country songs I love, and Country songs I don't. Does that mean I hate Country Music? No.
I just don't understand how certain folks can only like certain kinds of music. Being an intuitive thinker, I see the Big Picture. Even music I can't stand, doesn't bother me.
One thing I don't like, though is PRETENTION in music. All this Hard-Core Angst Rock really gets on my nerves because it's so contrived. What in the world is everybody so angry about?? I like people who can really sing. I mean really sing. And that's a rare find these days.
#8 by Meade Skelton on Aug 16, 2003 12:00:00 AM
all this music sucks
need i say more?
#9 by BOB on Oct 03, 2003 12:00:00 AM
Who cares!
The point is who cares who plays what. It is like when people ramble thier mouths, they speak what they want so you dont have to listen to it. I dont like everything but I do respect any artist who somewhat can write a tune and have a melody even if they have bad breath! Usually the music haters are people who suck at thier own music and glorify themselves to sleep. They are pissed at the people who make it because they tell themselves that they are better. Most of the time they cant play anything. So if you cant sing or play an instrument please pack your bags and pull ur panties up in a knot! The thing that pisses me off is that people are way too closed minded there is no such thing as bad music inless they sound like paul simon and look like Micheal Jackson. The thing is I betcha most artist would play totally different styles but the thing is that they want thier music to sell. Yes they sell thier music to people who cannot play a thing. Mostly the ages of 15-35. The only way to sell music is to make it catchy and retarded even if the songwriter hates it but knows that he can make a few bucks off of it. who cares! I mean look at Vanilla Ice. OK yeah I admit i wouldnt want his life. Most people in the world want to listen to music that is ear abiding, there is nothing we can do about it! Its like thinking that Paul Simon is the best thing but trying to sell it in the 5th ward. Its not that all music sucks its the consumers fault dammit!!!
#10 by Paul Simon on Apr 24, 2004 12:00:00 AM
I hate mariachi music
This crappy annoying music I hear at work all of the time makes me want to deport everyone who exposes my ears to this crap it all sounds the same terribly terribly bad it makes me want to kill every radio and radio station that plays it it just plain makes me want to vomit it sucks I hate mariachi music it should be banned from the earth
#11 by mariachi mauler on Jun 23, 2004 12:00:00 AM
your opinion is kind of harsh.
Seriously, I think you are judging to quickly. Dave puts a lot of time in to his music for people like you to talk bad. He loves music and he does what he loves. What is so wrong with that? If thats what he loves leave him be. Seriously, he works just as hard on his music as any other artist. And it's GREAT! He puts on good shows too. He is a very down to Earth guy who loves to jam. Don't be too quick to judge. I think you just want attention. But my family is from Charlottesville, Virginia and they personally know him and he is a good guy they say. So back off. And I know you have your opinion thats fine and all but respect a musician and don't be so harsh.
#12 by Mel on Jan 19, 2006 11:00:00 PM
Get over yourself and learn what real music is!
Dave has very meanigful lyrics, and his music is awesome! I've been to his concerts and i cried the first time I went... not because Dave is a heart throb but because the music and the tone and pitch and melody and lyrics were so AWESOME! Open up and try something new. If you don't like Dave than you are just like a box... boring and square and good for nothing. Take time an respect his work. His work is def. NOT boring, unless you are boring then I could possibly undertsand.
#13 by Mel on Jan 19, 2006 11:00:00 PM
I HATE RAP!
I'm a rocker and don't care for rap because it's almost always sampled music of a loop playing and then somebody yelling over it. Especially "Gangsta" rap. The money these no talent hoods make is sickening. Am I jealous? Probably. Beside the point. I can take or leave DMB. Usually leave. I like some classical but not for too long at a time. Hate Opera!(which is classical with vocals really so it's the vocals I don't like I guess)Don't care for country either. I guess it's all things rock for me but Rap is the one I REALLY hate. It's not music. Anyone can yell over a stolen loop. MTV was once for us rockers. Now I just surf on by because it's all Rap or R & B. Oh yeah, hate that too. I don't like singers who hit every note in a three scale range in two bars. When I was young R&B sounded much different. There were blues involved.
#14 by Rick Glaze on Aug 01, 2006 12:00:00 AM
Music for different reasons...
The majority of us stand on the side of "being a musician" so if a style of music doesn't reinforce what you, personally, are creating, the tendency is to discount it. Some can't handle it and lash out at it. I hate what is called "country music" today. Something irritates me. There's nothing new there: intro with steel guitars, lyrics about my children looking up to me or how much I love my wife or how great my country is, faux faltering singing voice... it's boring, lame, predictable and false, as far as I'm concerned. And, this "country music" is just one part of the mainstream music INDUSTRY. Then, there's "R&B" or "hip-hop" or "rage rock" they're all pretty much the same. They're products for people to consume, more than they're artistic creations. I used to get infuriated at the mainstream music INDUSTRY and the acts that got on the radio and Mtv. There was a lot of jealousy, to be honest. But, nowadays I realize that there is an underground culture that should be embraced and supported. Face it, there's truth to the statement of "selling-out"... does anyone really thing that an act that was truly dangerous and cutting-edge and original would make it anywhere near the public eye? How could they? They wouldn't make any money. It's a slow process where eventually something that was, at one time, truly unique becomes watered-down and safe enough to sell to the masses. Celebrity worship. To hell with corporate rockers... that's not real, it's more like a cartoon created for High School kids. It's boring and predictable. If Dave Matthews Band bothers you so much, STOP watching Mtv (and television, in general) and STOP listening to shitty radio stations. Once you get these sources of crap out of your life, you'll probably find a lot of anger and sadness and discontent leave your mind.
#15 by Robbie Schneider on Apr 17, 2002 12:00:00 AM
this site
why doesnt this site cover local country and bluegrass talent.if you can sing play or write you should get the recognition you deserve.is a g note that rage against the machine plays any different than a g note diamond rio plays.come on its all music and i appreciate it all and so should you.i'll voulnteer to scout and report on local country and bluegrass talent,so this site can truly be called the amn with the emphasis on MUSICIAN.
#16 by tim branham on Aug 14, 2002 12:00:00 AM
I hear y'all
I think everyone posting here has very intelligent thoughts on the modern day music and I totally agree. Mainstream radio and Mtv are driving this mundane, repetitive package straight to the marketing departments without a lot of creative differences. I'm still confused by the fact that people I know don't mind listening to the radio and hearing the same song four times a day. I work at a bank and I just go insane having to listen to the same stuff all day long. No matter what maistream station, of any genre, they play the same songs over and over, even the old songs that got old years ago. Now I gave up on these stations a while back, but I am still baffled by people who smile and say "oh, I love this song" even afer they've heard it three times before. I think its even sadder when a full grown adult does it. Come on, you should know better by now.
#17 by douglas on Oct 10, 2003 12:00:00 AM
Music dosen't have to be "different" to be good..
I dont think great music is necessarily cutting edge- or unconventional- because that music can be just as shallow and void of emotional depth as mainstream bubblegum pop music. What makes great music is when there is passion and the music is made by someone who is really really feeling it, and writes songs that have variety in the lyric- to a point where it pulls the listener in. Great music doesn't have to be complex- it can be as simple as Hank Williams' "Your Cheatin' Heart" or as dynamic as Beethoven's 9th. What the point is- the music of mainstream radio is not inspired or made with the intent of art. Its made with the intent of creating Stars and thus produces a very forumlaic style all around. This is true of any genre- pop, country, rock, r n'b, etc.
#18 by Meade on Jan 28, 2008 11:51:04 PM
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