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A Schizophrenic Debate on a Sex Pistols Documentary.

By Robbie Schneider - 10/14/2002

In response to the film The Filth and the Fury which is a documentary on The Sex Pistols: My initial reaction was to take sides because I've come to love the music, and movement of that era. What was being done is as true now as it was then, if not more so. We're being fed these images and ideas that the majority of us cannot live up to and fulfill for ourselves, and the aspiration of this dream is a futile rat race. The idea of rock'n'roll had been capitalized on and the power it had was gone. What was being done with rock'n'roll in America during the mid-70s, specifically in NYC, was exciting and fresh. To me, it still is. To me it represents the "last gasp" before the 80s rolled-in with absolute rubbish that was pop-culture and the MTV generation.

Yep, a Sid Vicious Action Figure. No kiddin.
Yep, a Sid Vicious Action Figure. No kiddin.

Youth empowerment through rock'n'roll was gone forever because of skillful marketing. The youth began buying into these images. We were tricked, and today we're all lost. I'm an adult now, and am completely separated from the youth today. They wear uniforms and sing along to trash that isn't any more dangerous than a saturday morning cartoon. What happend then, in the UK of the Sex Pistols, was unrest, unhappiness, discontent, "we've been lied to and fooled...", or "we're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore!" Now, if the Sex Pistols were to appear today, there'd been Sid Vicious action figures by the end of the week, and your parents would buy you one for Christmas. The world has become small, a "global community", but to what benefit except to the marketeers and corporations who see us as little more than statistics and prospective customers? Yeah, this is the Apocalypse. This is the end, er, was... but who really gives a shit enough to care?

In response to my response: What I mean by "take sides" is that I've read, yes I know I've read a lot about stuff, a bit into the history of "punk music" and it irritates me that the bands that I've come to love don't ever get any credit. I hate to argue it because what does it really matter, you know? I'm me and I never lived in NYC and I wasn't in one of those bands and I was hardly a sentient being when all this went on. It's the same thing with sports fans, though. You put a lot of stock into an idea or image or something out there, and it almost becomes part of you, like a child of your own. And, you want it to get the respect it deserves.

The point is that I think The Sex Pistols get way too much credit for all that went on in rock'n'roll in the mid to late 70s. The film The Filth and the Fury very briefly even mentions The New York Dolls and was introduced in order to introduce Nancy Spungen, who ultimately caused the downfall of The Sex Pistols.

Mega-groupie Nancy Spungen pictured here with Sid Vicious was also romantically linked to Keith Richards, Henry Winkler, Richard Hell, Jerry Nolan (New York Dolls).
Mega-groupie Nancy Spungen pictured here with Sid Vicious was also romantically linked to Keith Richards, Henry Winkler, Richard Hell, Jerry Nolan (New York Dolls).

The end of the movie was what turned me because one of the main points made by band members was how the image that they created in the UK and their sound were ripped-off and imitated by everyone. The rich kids were running around in ripped up clothing with safety pins in their noses, etc. It was a prime example of the whole identification process we have with our images and idols and ideas and all that horseshit. Yeah, we're all products of our influences, but there's a difference between that and being a spineless tool.

So, my final message here is to end your amibition to be someone else. If you are a musician, stop aspiring to be the next Lou Reed or Iggy Pop. If you're an artist, stop aspiring to be the next Egon Schiele or Salvador Dali. If you're a writer, stop aspiring to be the next Charles Bukowski or Ernest Hemingway. And for "heaven's sake" stop imitating the lifestyles your idols lived. They'd hate you for it!


sex pistols are the greatest band of all time
just to let yoy know whoever you are that i think well i know that the sex pistols are the greatest punk band of all time and what you said was absolute rubbish although i respect that everyone has their own opinions i still think you have no idea of what you are talking about

#1 by vicky on Nov 12, 2003 11:00:00 PM

wow, you really don't know anything about the Sex Pistols
you are a moron. Read a little more in depth if that's how you get your information. Were you even alive in the 70s? It doesn't matter where the basic format for "punk music" originated, because if that was your argument you could coin bad garage bands from the 60s as the first punks. The Sex Pistols started the punk revolution, weather they wanted to or not, and they are the ones that don't get credit.

And why would they talk about the New York Dolls or the MC5 or Loud Reed and all that in a SEX PISTOLS documentary. It wasn't a punk documentary, it was a Pistols documentary, which was the reason they all agreed to do it

#2 by flea on Dec 25, 2003 11:00:00 PM

uhhhh
you're right about the fact that stupid rich kids shouldn't be acting like sid, an dyou're right about nancy being the pistols downfall, but the sex pistols took what the ramones had created and perfectionized it, so f**k you for saying otherwise

#3 by amanda on Jan 04, 2004 11:00:00 PM

you dumbass!
like you said you werent in a band like the sex pistols and you wish you were thats why you are talking s**t the sex pistols kicked ass back then and they still do today! so F***k you!
SEX PISTOLS!YEAH!

#4 by CHRISTINA on Aug 30, 2004 12:00:00 AM

HAHAHA
The sex Pistols created PUNK! I mean, the Ramones sounded like the beach boys! They had the attitude, but the Sex Pistols had the whole package!

#5 by Kaitlin on Aug 13, 2004 12:00:00 AM

lllll
all these little girls need to read up on their history

#6 by tango on Jan 05, 2005 11:00:00 PM

YEA U BASTARD!!
They are right..The Sex Pistols were the only ppl smart enough to see how everything is trying to control us and make us become brainless twits.they helped us resist and someday we'll overthrow those bastards.you were right though about not trying to be your idols..thats stupid.But still F*ck u for badmouthing the pistols!

#7 by Kate on Jan 15, 2005 11:00:00 PM

and we don't fuckin care
there is only one way to discribe the way they did it man no fucking feelings the hole scanndel think was for the addatudied and we all know that it wouldn't have turned out the way it did if that bitch ass nancy wouldn't have been involed so fuck her in spirit

#8 by jessie lukinoff on Jan 20, 2005 11:00:00 PM

Interesting
You say the Pistols get too much credit for the 70s music scene, but it took until the mid to late 90s for them to get much credit at all. I don't think they get too much credit. I also don't think it was completely Nancy Spungen's doing that the band ended.

#9 by old man on Apr 12, 2005 12:00:00 AM

too much credit my ass
you stupid fool,im a die hard so.cal punk lover. I also love the dead boys, and countless other contributers.
But, the Pistols are the punkest.
you gotto give it up for those guys. i doubt you would of wore a swastika shirt around england, and talked shit on your own queen(right next to jesus) for those english.
no one created punk all alone, but 75-78 the pistols were the absolute definition of the word. so give it up, and bow before the kings of punk. YOU WIMP
by Scummy

#10 by dennis on May 13, 2005 12:00:00 AM

You've got to be kidding!
The Sex Pistols were nothing more than an act that Malcom made up as some sort of cartoon version of what punk should be. The Clash was the ultimate punk group EVER!!! The Pistols couldn't even play their instruments! Only Matlock knew how to play, and what did they do to him? They replaced him with Sid because Sid looked the part. Don't get me wrong, Vicious embodied all that a punk should be. No respect for authority, lots of drugs (thanks a lot Nancy, for killing our Sid!), and a bad ass leather jacket as the icing on the cake. To top it off, he went and killed himself with Heroin! He became a damn stereotype! Save your time and effort, psudo-punks (if you were born after 1980, you don't know a damn thing about punk!), and go out and buy The Clash's "Sandanista". Do your research.

#11 by Ophelia on Jan 04, 2006 11:00:00 PM

sid
i love sid so much i wish he hadnt of died. i think that the sex pistols are one of the most punk bands ever to have played or recorded an album. they fuckin rock and dont let any one tell you different. i think the band started to fall apart because sid ddicted to heroin and he didnt care about playing and he was more botherd about his beloved nancy. they lived in thier own little world of destruction. i love him he should have never met her, and he shouldnt have killed himself. i love you sid. and i love johnny too! love ya punk people. ebz xx

#12 by ebony on Mar 23, 2006 11:00:00 PM

.....Okay
I dont listen to the sex pistols probly never will. I just want to say something for all us girls. I THINK SID IS HOTT. What was he thinking going with that girl nancy. Yet again another bleach blonde girl tryin to make america look bad. Things would have been differnt had he not meet her.

#13 by Ro on Aug 10, 2006 12:00:00 AM

:)
I admire Nancy but i really dont know why..

#14 by Bad ass on Aug 15, 2006 12:00:00 AM

Stupid Nancy
And i hate Nancy!!!!!

#15 by Kasia on Sep 12, 2006 12:00:00 AM

and another thing
The Sex Pistols did not even know how to play their instruments. Malcom McLauren put the spotty youth together to try and make money off of the "punk scene" that his store catered to. Sorry folks, as I said before, they are nothing more than a boy band.

#16 by colleen Williams on Oct 01, 2006 12:00:00 AM

Sid was doomed
Nancy had very little to do with Sid's actual downfall. The poor bastards own mother was a heroin addict. So, whether he had met her or not the chances of him dying from a smack overdose where high to begin with. As for Vicious action figures? I doubt it. Granted those boys where the anarchy boy band, but regardless of the decade they are in, I believe they would still be considered taboo by parents. I was in London during the punk rise and even I would not let my daughter have a Sid Vicious toy.

#17 by Colleen Williams on Oct 01, 2006 12:00:00 AM

Pssh.
The hell with a Sid action figure.

WHERE'S MY JOEY RAMONE FIGURE?

#18 by Britt on Nov 05, 2006 11:00:00 PM

im always right
sid vicious is the shit.


enough said.

#19 by Sarah on Nov 07, 2006 11:00:00 PM

hmm..
i agree! why cant people be ORIGINAL?

#20 by kay on Dec 21, 2006 11:00:00 PM

sid
sid is the greatest, and nancy shud go to hell. she is the one who most likely got him going on the drug rampage. idiot .
not sid tho, he remains my love

#21 by sarah on Feb 10, 2007 11:00:00 PM

its all nancys fault
he wouldnt have been dead if it wasnt for her its all her fault the sex pistols would have so much more records by now they were and are still the greatest punk rock that would ever excist

#22 by aleli on Mar 28, 2007 12:00:00 AM

Sid and nancy
It was noones fault. Sid was a drugaddic before Nancy came into his life, and they loved eachother. And besides, he was high when he stabbed Nancy. It is also known that Sids mother gavehim the drugs that he overdosed, and told him to kill himself.

Besides, Nancy was born sick, why would it be her fault when it was Sid who was a druggie before he even met her?

#23 by Jennu on Apr 09, 2007 12:00:00 AM

God Save the Queen !!!
The Sex Pistols were and was a great reason for Johnny Rotten to live up to his name -- he was and is rotten!!!
The punk bands were The Clash and Sham 69 !!
Now they made a mark !!

#24 by Joy on Aug 08, 2006 12:00:00 AM

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